Elle Lavon

Episode (68) – How to communicate better who you are through your clothes


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Elle Lavon is a men’s stylist. She is a master helping you dress and be styled in your own authentic style so that you can perfectly communicate who you are and how you want to be perceived.

On today’s show,

Elle talks about how to find your authentic style and how certain clothes can change our behavior and help us in everyday situations.

Elle also covers,

  • How she decided to become men’s stylist
  • How she helps people feel amazing by assisting them to choose the right clothes
  • The way we dress is an extension of our personality
  • Men have five different personality styles, and women have six
  • Five men personality styles are: classic, relaxed, creative, bold and rebellious
  • Women also have these five personality styles, but also one more – romantic
  • How she uses the personality style questionnaire to determine people’s personality styles
  • What is Enclothed Cognition and how it works
  • When we wear certain clothes, it changes our behavior in the realm of things
  • The anecdote that shows why we should put more emphasis on the way we dress because it can change our life
  • Her Life Changing Question is: ‘If I look back at this moment in time, with this decision I am about to make or this thing I am about to do, would that in the grand scheme of things, matter?’
  • Things still on her bucket list are to climb Machu Picchu and learn to surf in Nicaragua

 

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Transcription

Your style matters. Welcome to Episode No. 67 and the topic of today’s show is very much around how you dress because how you dress impacts how you feel, which impacts then, of course, how you show up in your environment and also how other people perceive you. Our expert today is Elle Lavon. Elle is a master helping you dress and be styled in your own authentic style, so that you can perfectly communicate who you are and how you want to be perceived. So without further ado, Elle, welcome to the show.

If just one question could immediately transform the quality of your life or the results of your business, would you want to know what that question was? Life and business strategist, Kevin Bees, interviews success masters to discover their life-changing questions. Welcome to the Life-Changing Questions podcast.

KEVIN:
So Elle, welcome to the show today.

ELLE:
Thanks, Kevin. I am so excited to be here.

KEVIN:
I am excited to have you on the show. We haven’t had anyone with your kind of expertise talking on the show before now. So, I am very excited to share some of the wisdom and knowledge that you have in this area of personal branding and styles. I would love for you to tell us a little bit about your background. How did you get into this field and who is it that you work and support?

ELLE:
Okay, if you start from the beginning, I could think about to really being a young child and being really almost obsessed with being completely individual personally, you know, for example if my mom bought my sister and I the same outfit, I got really angry because I was, like, someone else can’t be wearing the same clothes as me. I am me. Someone else has to be someone else. I used to be very busy, always making little clothes and things like that, like, actually so that nobody can have themselves. My little design project, I just always had that as something that was in the back of my mind when I thought about things or looked at people and one day when I was all grown up, what I really wanted to do, I had this hard moment because I came to Australia and I was sitting in Queen Street Mall and looking at people walking by and people watching, of course, is the most fun thing to do. I don’t know if you remember this time, but it was a pretty horrible era in fashion when muffin tops were happening and that was like beginning of the 2000s and really, really skinny jeans were in with those [0:02:15] people who wore them, girls, had like this big flow over, like, love handles that were called muffin tops and I was looking at all these girls walking past and I was like, ‘Aww, you look so miserable’. They were all like wearing the latest trends, but looking very uncomfortable and pulling their pants up and I didn’t have this thought of judgement. I wasn’t looking at them and going, ugh, you look horrible. I was just kind of like, oh, you just look really unhappy and I feel like if I just took you by the hand and walked you into a jeans shop and showed you a pair of pants that really worked for you, even if they weren’t the latest trend, I feel like you just own it and be so much happy in yourself and that’s when I realized that like all I wanted to do was help people feel amazing and that was the beginning of the journey. So that’s in early 2000s and [0:03:01]. Back then there was actually no such things as a stylist in Australia. Not personal stylings. And there were all these sort of weird and wonderful clinches called image consultants. So I had to, sort of, try and find where I could learn how I could become qualified in styling people and I did a whole bunch of courses with people in Sidney and Melbourne and the business went through a whole bunch of evolution. So at the beginning, I worked with most people, but the majority of people I ended up working with was sort of women, who had families and children and just wanted a little bit of confidence boost and eventually I spent the last 10 years of the business working with men and in men’s fashion and then I realized that actually I really loved doing that and there aren’t many people who do that at all. Actually in all of Australia, as a stylist I know and from what I have been told from clients, there are no stylists at all that specialize in men’s clothing. So there are a few stylists who work with men and women, mostly women though, and people who make clothes for men, but there are no people who specialize in dressing men. So I thought well, why don’t I do that, since I am already doing it and I really love it and that’s how it all came to be.

KEVIN:
And I heard some really Important things in there, particularly around it was how people felt and you can help people select the clothes or the garments or the things to wear that will help them feel the way that they want to feel. Now I know because of the previous conversations we had, we had spoken a little bit about authenticity and your clothes being an extension of representation of who you are and of course, that’s so important because how you feel then in turn is how you show up in the world, but probably even more importantly that people judge you in a snapshot based on your appearance. So I wonder if you could tell us a little bit more about the whole [0:04:49] authenticity and how we judge based on what we wear?

ELLE:
Sure. There is so much to this. And this is the part that I love the most about styling is basically just like you say, for me the most important thing about style is that the way we dress is an extension of our personality, of what we do in our day-to-day life, our lifestyle, our preferences, everything that we are, we should be reflecting how we are dressed because it’s a form of expression ___; however, people really struggle with that because creating a visual, a representation of something, isn’t always everyone’s forte, but we all know that when we wear things that we are most comfortable in, its often things that are representation of who we are and that is when we feel most authentic and when we are most likely to engage with other people on a really honest level. I guess for me the beginning is, when I work with someone, is trying to identify the different size of their personality, so they think okay, so this is who you are. If we take those compartments and we create a look congruent with your personality traits then you will feel comfortable. I mean, think for example about your favorite outfit, like, if I asked you right now, to think of the thing that’s in your wardrobe that you love the most, if you feel the best in, or most comfortable in, what would that thing be?

KEVIN:
Ha, ha, ha, no, I think for me, not that many people have ever seen me wear this, but I have this cool, it’s a black T-shirt, just a very simple black T-shirt and that this black pair of [0:06:23] pants, if you like, and I am so comfortable in those around the house; you wouldn’t see me outside the house in those, I wouldn’t [0:06:31] with them, but I am very comfortable wearing those.

ELLE:
Yeah, and so, okay, so I would say, alright, Kevin, so comfort is one of the most important things to you, right?

KEVIN:
Of course.

ELLE:
Okay, cool. You know, for some people that’s actually not necessarily a top priority, but let’s say, for you it is, so I will draw from that that you are a person who enjoys being functional and that you like to get up and go without fussing too much and you like to just put on something and be like, yup, I am ready, I am good, I don’t want too much fuss, I don’t want too many bells and whistles, I just wanna feel comfortable and I wanna move through my day with least amount of destructions, right?

KEVIN:
Exactly. There is no fussing. I don’t style my hair. I just [0:07:14] how it looks and out of the door and get done. [Laughs]

ELLE:
Yeah, awesome. Alright. Amazing. So then I would go, okay, well, in that case, that is connected to a personality trait that we call in styling, the relaxed personality style. So the relaxed person is someone, who is more likely to really enjoy wearing comfortable clothing and natural fibres and stuff that you can wash and wear really easily and you are a person whose personality is very easygoing and approachable and laid back and just down to earth, right, and that’s just one part of who Kevin is. And then you have lots of different personality traits and you won’t only ever be one style personality. You will be a combination of three, but the relax style personality will be your prominent one. And I would like, when I style you, to put you in clothes that make you feel like your favorite pair of [0:08:09] and your favourite T-shirt because that’s when you are at your best and when you are at your best, you do your best, you attract the best people to be around you, you do your best work, it just becomes a natural flow because you are in your element.

KEVIN:
Cool. I like that. Now, you mentioned that maybe then my style would be relaxed because I mentioned the idea of comfort. You said threes may be three that you would potentially pair up or how many in total? How many different styles could we be?

ELLE:
There are between five and six. Most men will have about five different personality styles, I mean not most men, but for men, we look at five categories and for women, six because of course we have to be just a little bit more complicated [laughs] but for men, we’ll be looking at classic, which is the guy who really appreciates clean lines and he is, you know, timeless and [0:09:04] structure. And then you have relaxed, which is what we were talking about – approachable and easygoing. We have creative, which is the person who does things with an unusual twist, so you know, you’d find that person probably wearing some cool, like vintage stuff, but also with really modern glasses or something like that and then you have bold, which is dramatic and commanding. This is the person who walks into the room and you literally cannot not notice them and then you’ve got rebellious, which you know, it can come across as [0:09:38] goggles and stuff like that, but usually the rebellious type is the personality type that’s a little bit more subtle, so you don’t see it as much as you feel it, but it’s a person who’s a little bit anti-establishment. So this could be a guy, who goes to the office and wears suits, but he might have a few little secret [0:09:55] underneath. But it can also be a guy with, like you know, full [0:10:00] and stuff like that, so there’s a range of different thing and each person will have different personality with a different style depending on the ration of style personalities. So for example, if you are rebellious, classic, relaxed, the most noticeable thing about you would be that you are anti-establishment, but if you are relaxed, classic, rebellious then the rebellious would just be a teeny weeny little bit of your style, so it just depends on how you build it.

KEVIN:
Okay. And you said then there was a sixth style because we have a lot of women here on the show listening as well. So what would that sixth style, personality style, will be for the ladies?

ELLE:
So the sixth style is romantic and that’s the girls who like, you know, pink nails and a little bit of sequins and some frills and ruffles and pretty makeup and pretty hair – a lot of women will have that style personality in one level or another within their style.

KEVIN:
Huh. There’s some women on the call send ‘yup’ [0:10:53] means some women on the call send ‘yup’ ___ do that in a million years, so and I think that’s the whole point right, because we can get to be authentically who we are and represent, you know, how we want to be. So yeah, if we wanted to discover which of these we are, is there a way that we can do that?

ELLE:
Yes, definitely. It’s really systematic actually, like, I guess for people listening, a lot of people think that styling is just sort of mumbo jumbo, maybe vain, maybe a little bit superficial thing, but there’s a real science to it and the personality style questionnaire is probably the first step that I would take to profile someone. So I would send you a questionnaire that has a list of six styles and you don’t know which one is which because I don’t put it at the top, you know, this is classic, this is bold, because then you might tick those boxes because that’s who you want to be or who you think you are, but not who you actually are, so there’s a difference between how we think others perceive us compared to how we actually are. So the list of styles has six to eight personality traits under each one and you would tick every single personality trait that you feel, yeah, this is me in a nutshell. And you will find that there will be, like, two or three personality traits that you’ve ticked maybe one or two things, but then there will be three that you have lots and lots of ticks under those categories and based on how many you score in each category, I will be able to say, okay, this is who you are.

KEVIN:
That sounds really cool. I think it’s certainly something that I would love to do to find out about specifically what my style is, so I may have already probably pin-pointed that I am relaxed, but I wonder what my combinational others in there, so if the people listening also want to find out about this, is there a place that they can download this questionnaire? Is there a fee for doing that?

ELLE:
Normally that would be included in, what I call, a discovery session with my clients. So that will be the first part of what I do with paying clients; however; I am very happy to create some sort of downloadable pdf for your listeners, so I will happily do that for you and send you a link.

KEVIN:
That is super generous and if you are listening to this call and you’d really love to jump on and find out what is your style and how you should dress to impress [0:13:01] then just check out kevinbees.com/elle and we have the link on there for you so you can click straight through and take upon such a wonderful and generous offer on that. Now Elle, regarding this, I am reflecting back to many different organizations I have worked in and the different dress codes they had. I remember one organization I worked in. It was very much, we had these slightly baggy pants and you had like loose T-shirts and almost like fleecy jumpers, so you felt like it was just a Sunday afternoon, you could relax and kick back and actually it was interesting to work, I think because people felt that way in the clothing, I think that really impacted their performance and how they’d show up, so I know you have a background, you mentioned before that there is a science in this. This is a just no touchy [0:13:45] stuff; there is a real science behind this. I want to just dig in to a little bit around the whole idea of Enclothed Cognition.

ELLE:
Yes, this is like literally one of my favorite topics and I love it so much because it really puts science behind what it is that we do. Style has a quantifiable role in our life, it really, really does and so the premise of Enclothed Cognition is this – we often talk about style in the context of how others perceive us. Enclothed cognition actually talks about how the clothing that we wear effects our psychological processes, our behaviours, our moods and even [0:14:24] for example, there was scientific studies done in 2012. They basically took some people and put them through some tests. They tested their cognition. It was [0:14:37] concentration and numerical tests and they took two groups of people and they put them in lab coats and then they did the same tests without lab coats. And when they were wearing lab coats, they performed significantly better in concentration tests. So they were a whole number of other tests that were done, but the results of them were just confirming that when we wear certain clothes, it changes our behaviour in the realm of things. So for example, dressed for success in that whole cliche about suiting up. Wearing suits actually does improve our negotiation skills. So when we wear suits and we are going to a board room, we will negotiate better and we will be way more ready for business. Obviously, you have the whole part of how we are perceived by others so people take you more seriously when you wear a suit, but you also do business better. So for example, actually when you said you were wearing baggy T-shirts and baggy pants, I was like, oh, did Kevin work for, like you know, some place in selling gangster clothes [laughs]

KEVIN:
No, it was actually a large manufacturing organization, they manufactured aircraft and I won’t say who they are, but they are a very large company and I think it was very much that was what the workers on the shop floor would wear and so that’s then also what we would wear in the office, I guess, to have everyone consistent with each other and it was just yeah, it created a very different feeling now. You also reminding me, as you are talking about this then wearing the white coats and concentrating, how it impacts how you feel. I know there was a point in my career where I decided I was actually going to dress up a little bit more than the other people in the environment and it was really interesting what happened. I think I felt a lot sharper, a lot more confident. Now, the interesting thing is, I don’t know if I actually changed what I was doing, my work or my performance, maybe because I felt that way, but I remember some of the senior leaders in that organization actually saying that I had really stepped up my game. I honestly don’t think I had done anything different. I had started wearing, you know, dressing up a little bit more, you know, a tie and a jacket as opposed to just, you know, pants and a shirt. So I think even [0:16:40] just how I felt, but even the perception of how people saw me shifted as a result of that as well. And of course that can have big impacts, you said, in terms of negotiation, we have big impacts in terms of, if people perceive you as delivering higher value then you are actually worth more to an organization or ___ client or the customer, whoever it is that you are working with.

ELLE:
Definitely. I will tell you a little example. A little anecdote. So I have client, who called me up. He was like, oh, my god, Elle, panic, panic panic. I have got the biggest interview of my lifetime and to be quite honest with you, I am completely under qualified for the job, but I am going to do the interview and basically I am going to be sitting in front of a panel of 10 people and there’s gonna be a whole bunch of other people, who are applying for this job. It’s a really, really high up job and it’s actually one of Australia’s biggest power companies. And I was like, alright, so we know that they are a tiny bit conservative, but it’s still, you know, within the industrial sort of area so we don’t wanna come across, you know, certain way, so anyway took him shopping, bought him an amazing suit that was going to be, you know, still looking very professional, but also using colours that are approachable and saying I am a team leader, but I am also a team player, so anyway, we put him in this outfit and he nailed the interview. And he actually like kept calling in, thanking me for a long time after that. Well, he got the job. He got the job and he said that even though he knew that he was a little bit under qualified for the job compared to the other people who were applying, when he put [0:18:19] he felt that he was putting on his suit of armour and he walked into that space and he completely owned it and not only did he feel amazing and he spoke clearly and you know, conducted himself with just perfect language and confidence, the first thing that those people said was, ‘Thank you so much for dressing respectfully for this position. You really look the part’ and they said it was amazing. And he walked out and he felt kind of like, oh my god, I can’t believe I just did that and it was literally all because of the suit. So at the end of the day, we might not put enough emphasis on the way we dress and I think that it is so important because it changes your life, like that could have been a business between him not getting the job and him getting the job – that’s a big difference on that sort of level, that was a really, really high-level job. So yeah, it does make a difference, definitely.

KEVIN:
Super powerful, super powerful. So what we need to do then is jump on line, check out the link at kevinbees.com/elle and we can find out what is our personality style in terms of the clothing that we wear and we can go ahead and wear those and feel differently, act differently and see how people respond to us differently. So I think it’s a good experiment for you to try across this week and see the impact it has on your feelings and how people come and react to you. So, Elle, one of the questions that we love to ask on this show of course, is around the quality of your questions. We know that the quality of the questions that we ask of ourselves really impact the quality of the life that we lead. So with that being true, what’s one question that you have asked that’s had the biggest impact on your life or the life of the clients that you serve?

ELLE:
For me I don’t know, I feel like this is a bit of a cliché, but I thought about this quite a lot and I know that one question that literally leads me and everything that I do in my life is – ‘If I think of myself at the end of my days, I am like lying in this bed and I’m literally like about to die [laughs] not in a bad way, but in a just like, okay, I have lived the full life. If I look back at this moment in time, with this decision I am about to make or this thing I am about to do, would that in the grand scheme of things, matter? How much would it matter? Or how much would it impact my life?’ So when I think we get really, really caught up in the moment sometimes, in our little daily lives, I look just like these little ants, you know, running around, doing things in life and we put a lot of significance on to things and the truth is that, sometimes in the greater scale, things that we put a lot of emotion and effort or assume impact, they are not really that important, so I try to make sure that I think of my older self and ask, does it really matter?

KEVIN:
I think that’s a really great question because sometimes we can get hung up on decisions in the moment, but then I guess if we go out to the end of our life, we go to a time in the future, I look back and ask is it really going to matter then it will make the decision a little bit easier to take or to move on a lot quicker. Have you got an example of how that particular question has impacted your life?

ELLE:
Huh, literally like everything I do is impacted by that question. I think, personally I have a tendency to get a bit emotionally attached to things, to outcome of things, even in business and maybe, yes, actually. So I was working in this dead-end job; it’s a job that I really loved, but I have been in it for many, many years and I reached the highest position that they got and I, like it was a bit of a Groundhog day for three years, I was doing the same thing everyday and I just felt like my potential was just not reached to, I wasn’t feeling challenged and I thought to myself, at the end of my days when I look back at this, will I want to say that I spent this many years doing a job that I was so unhappy and so under challenged and just yeah, I felt like I was wasting my days and everyday is so valuable and that was when I went, you know what, I think that the old end of days [0:22:09] would be like, nah, just get out of that job, just go, go and live life, go and do something that really, really matters to you. And so I did.

KEVIN:
And here we are now. So if you hadn’t used that question and taken that decision, you might still be stuck doing something that you were unhappy with, unfulfilled with. So really great example. Now with that in mind, I wanna jump straight to the whole bucket list question because this question really says, if you are going to the end of your life, you know, would this decision matter. So I would love to hear about what are some of the things that you have done or ticked off from your bucket list that you are so proud that you made the decision or is there something that you still want to achieve or do or accomplish or be that you haven’t yet?

ELLE:
Yes and you know what, I am really, really grateful because I have had such a rich life, like I am not even 40 yet, I am just on 38 and I have done so much in my life. So much. And that’s a lot. I don’t know if this is to do with travel, but you know I was telling you a bit earlier that one of the best things that I have ever done in my life was travel at backpack in India for a year in my early 20s. I definitely did the less touristy things [0:23:18] how do you say the path less taken?

KEVIN:
Aha, yeah.

ELLE:
I am terrible with those things in English. I went and lived on the side of a mountain in a house with a family of people in the Indian Himalayas and then trekked the Himalayas, like and all I had to my name was this backpack with a bunch of clothes in it and a blanket and I was the most free and most happy and that was the best year of my life ever and I just did whatever I wanted and I had nothing tying me down. I had no mortgage, no rent, no things, no furniture, no boyfriend, nothing. It was just me and my backpack and I was free to do whatever and I did really cool stuff. I had three complete near-death moments in that year and I am like, oh, my god, I am so grateful to be alive and I’ll never ever forget those moments. I literally almost died and I thought to myself, oh, my god, if I die now, nobody would ever know. Like I can die in this mudslide in the middle of the Himalayas and that will be it for me. No electricity, no phone lines, no internet. There wasn’t even like Wi-Fi back then. There was nothing. No smart phones [0:24:23] and proud that I did. And something is still on my bucket list because what happened was, after that year in India, I was supposed to go and learn [0:24:33] and Brazil and climb the Machu Picchu and learn to surf in Nicaragua – the whole bunch of things I was going to do, but then I ended up coming to Australia, by whim, and here I am still, like 15 years later. So I didn’t climb the Machu Picchu, but so for my 40th birthday, that’s the plan and I am doing it with my 11-year-old daughter – that’s the goal. That’s one of the things that I wanna do.

KEVIN:
Well, great goal and that climbing Machu Picchu is an incredible experience.

ELLE:
Have you have done that?

KEVIN:
I have had the opportunity to do that, it was an amazing experience. I haven’t ever surfed in Nicaragua there, so that may be another one to go on the bucket list – that sounds like fun. And I am sure when you get to the end of your life and you look back, you’re probably not gonna regret the choice of moving to Australia – the beautiful country that it is, so I think you will be happy with that one.

ELLE:
Yes.

KEVIN:
And I wonder if you could tell us, if there was one book that you would recommend for our listeners, that would be a must read, what book would that be?

ELLE:
Okay. So I was really tormented by this question, I have to tell you because I am a massive nerd and I have read so many books in my life. That was like one of the hardest ones to answer because there are so many books and then, can I say two?

KEVIN:
Of course, go ahead.

ELLE:
Okay, okay. One of them is so corny. I feel so corny saying this, okay. And it’s a super corny book as well, like, reading it is torture, like, it is so cheesy, you could spread it on a cracker, but if you can get past that and you just get the content, it’s life changing and that is, ‘The Five Love Languages’ and this book basically talks about the five different ways in which people express love and it’s transformed everything in our relationship and any relationship I might have with someone else and it sounds a little bit sort of lovey-dovey, but the truth is that you can apply that to friendships and you can apply that to how you parent, it’s really like just basically any relationship you have with another human and it talks about the five languages of love so that physical contact, quality time, gifts, acts of service, words of affirmation and each one of us has a primary love language and a secondary love language and your primary love language might be different to your wife’s, for example, so if her primary love language is different to yours, if you understand which ones you both speak, it’s much easier to have an amazing relationship.

KEVIN:
I think it’s a very powerful book and that book is by Gary Chapman. And if you are interested in grabbing hold of that book, check that out on the page notes of kevinbees.com/elle, you’re going to see that book there. And yes, I recognize the five different love languages that will be words of affirmations, so people love to hear certain words, you tell them that they have done great things, you are looking great. Some people love just to be showered with gifts. Some people just want to have that quality time others like the physical touch and others prefer acts of service. So I think it is so important if you understand that, yeah, about your intimate partner, but even about family and friends. I think you can really make a difference to them. Feeling as though you are communicating your love in the way that they want to receive it. That’s a very good one. You said you had two books that’s a must read. What is the second one?

ELLE:
Yes, right, so the other one, this is actually very much connected to my big question of, you know, the end of my day, you know, how I react to this thing is a book called ‘Tuesdays with Morrie’.

KEVIN:
Oh, I haven’t heard of that one before.

ELLE:
It’s ‘Tuesdays with Morrie’ by Mitch Albom and it’s just a story about a journalist who reconnects to one of his old professors from Uni and this professor is basically on his deathbed. He has, you know, a few weeks left to live and in the time they spent together, they talk a lot about life, love, relationships, work, all the things, when I guess it’s a young person getting an older person’s perspective of life and it does make you ask the questions of yourself, you know, is what I am doing right now going to matter to me at the end of my days. So it’s an awesome book.

KEVIN:
Awesome book and I just googled it and I see it’s also a film, so if you are not a reader, you can watch it as a movie.

ELLE:
Oh, yes, see I have never seen the film, so I don’t know if it’s a good translation and you know sometimes they just [0:28:45] over the book, but yet it could be a good movie, I have never seen it.

KEVIN:
Could be and Elle, you have been so fantastic today with your knowledge, of course, so for everyone listening if you want to grab a copy of the blue print, the questionnaire to find about your specific style personality, check out kevinbees.com/elle; we’ll have the link out there and Elle, if people wanted to reach out and connect with you or come to find out more about you, where would they need to go?

ELLE:
Just hop on my website, which is ellelavon.com.au and everything that you want to know about me is in there.

KEVIN:
Thank you so much for your time today, it has been absolutely brilliant.

ELLE:
Yes, amazing, thank you so much, Kevin.

Thanks so much for listening to the life-changing questions podcast with your host, Kevin Bees. We’ll catch you next time.

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